tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post3721213974472638111..comments2023-09-30T08:07:26.165-04:00Comments on Mystical Politics: Jeremiah Wright on Zionism and IsraelRebeccahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-11748077735209141682008-05-05T14:30:00.000-04:002008-05-05T14:30:00.000-04:00I read the ADL report many years ago. They put to...I read the ADL report many years ago. They put together a nice collection of Farrakhan's sayings. Not only did he call Judaism a dirty religion, but he made worse comments about Jews being murderous, lying, deceitful, and that when God puts you in the oven, 'never again' don't mean a thing. That he denies saying these things many years later cannot erase from history what he said.<BR/><BR/>This idea that preachers know all about God and claim to speak on his behalf because they have a direct pipeline to him is fairly obnoxious and frightening. I wish more people would publicly challenge this. Bill Moyers, whom I love, unfortunately gave Wright a free ride on this. And there are plenty of white preachers, as Rebecca pointed out, who are as bad and worse.<BR/><BR/>What our society needs a good dose of is that ancient rabbinic attitude that we cannot drag God into every conversation and debate. God wants us to figure things out for ourselves. Call it chutzpah towards God (Heaven stay out it!) but that's what they advocated. Not so oddly, a certain Rabbi Joshua of Nazareth (whom some people worship as Jesus today) may well have taught the same thing (chutzpah, by the way, being an Aramaic word). The ancients still have something to teach us about renouncing the arrogant idea of a pipeline to heaven.<BR/><BR/>Leon ZitzerLeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03309421171161805736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-36354796026860593212008-05-04T20:45:00.000-04:002008-05-04T20:45:00.000-04:00Farrakha in fact never refered to Judaism as gutte...Farrakha in fact never refered to Judaism as gutter as dirty. His clear comments on this are below:<BR/><BR/><I>Countless times over the years I have explained that I never referred to Judaism as a dirty religion, but, clearly referred to the machinations of those who hide behind the shield of Judaism while using unjust political means to achieve their objectives. This was distilled in the New York tabloids and other media saying, "Farrakhan calls Judaism a gutter religion." <BR/><BR/>As a Muslim, I revere Abraham, Moses, and all the Prophets who Allah (God) sent to the children of Israel. I believe in the scriptures brought by these Prophets and the Laws of Allah (God) as expressed in the Torah. I would never refer to the Revealed Word of Allah (God) -- the basis of Jewish Faith -- as "dirty" or "gutter." You know, Jude, as well as I, that the Revealed Word of Allah (God) comes as a Message from Allah (God) to purify us from our evil that has divided us and caused us to fall into the gutter. <BR/><BR/>Over the centuries, the evils of Christians, Jews and Muslims have dirtied their respective religions. True Faith in the laws and Teaching of Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad is not dirty, but, practices in the name of these religions can be unclean and can cause people to look upon the misrepresented religion as being unclean.</I><BR/><BR/>The full text of this letter is takend from here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.noi.org/statements/rift/Wanniski12-22-1997.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.noi.org/statements/rift/Wanniski12-22-1997.htm</A>JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01577916792053008063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-29206639205315344092008-05-04T12:15:00.000-04:002008-05-04T12:15:00.000-04:00Leon - Yes, and it's not only Wright - remember wh...Leon - Yes, and it's not only Wright - remember what Falwell and Robertson said after the 9/11 attacks - that we had it coming because of the gays and the feminists. Theologically speaking, that's not essentially any different from Wright's statement - it's just that we're being blamed for different sins. What I don't understand is how these preachers can be so presumptuous as to imagine that they know why God does anything (that is, if we blame God for the 9/11 attacks, which I certainly do not!). Do they have a special phone line on which God calls them to tell them why a certain thing has happened? I didn't think so.<BR/><BR/>JedReport - I liked Obama's press conference also.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-25993905493947377372008-05-03T16:02:00.000-04:002008-05-03T16:02:00.000-04:00Jeremiah Wright, like many Christians, including J...Jeremiah Wright, like many Christians, including Jimmy Carter, has theological ideas about Israel and Jews generally. They cannot get it out of their system that they know the Hebrew Bible better than Jews do and that they know God's plans for Jews. I respect Carter on a lot of things but not for his theology of Jews and Israel.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Obama has gotten a raw deal in all this. And McCain has gotten a free pass for his endorsement from an anti-Catholic pastor.<BR/><BR/>What I am most curious about is that there has been almost no discussion of the most reprehensible thing about Wright (and other preachers): The way he keeps dragging God into all this. It is one thing to be concerned about injustices and expose them, it quite another thing to say that God damns and curses this nation or these people. That is really ugly. This injection of God-talk into social and political issues is very frightening.<BR/><BR/>Leon ZitzerLeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03309421171161805736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-2156246173226854752008-04-29T18:50:00.000-04:002008-04-29T18:50:00.000-04:00did you have any thoughts on obama's press confere...did you have any thoughts on obama's press conference today?<BR/><BR/>it was exactly what i was hoping he would say, but then again, i'm biasedUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07289360125751017770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-54360138120390225672008-04-29T15:27:00.000-04:002008-04-29T15:27:00.000-04:00Thanks for the support - yes, I just looked at the...Thanks for the support - yes, I just looked at the ADL report. Disgusting (but we knew that about Farrakhan already).Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-53295151375374868712008-04-29T07:09:00.000-04:002008-04-29T07:09:00.000-04:00adl has some good stuff:http://www.adl.org/special...adl has some good stuff:<BR/><BR/>http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/on_jews.asp<BR/><BR/>btw, on the rest of your post, keep up the hope about obama. he's not wright, who isn't farrakhan.<BR/><BR/>i'm jewish, fwiw, secular, but had my bar mitzvah at the hebrew institute of riverdale if you know that spot.<BR/><BR/>if you're interested in rabidly pro-obama stuff, you can check out my blog at http://www.jedreport.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07289360125751017770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-85219966139982275982008-04-29T07:03:00.000-04:002008-04-29T07:03:00.000-04:00the site you link to on whether farrakhan called j...the site you link to on whether farrakhan called judaism a gutter religion actually denies that he said it. they say he said "dirty religion" which isn't necessarily any better. lexically, it is oddly phrased for sure.<BR/><BR/>-jedUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07289360125751017770noreply@blogger.com