tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post6339760361176737028..comments2023-09-30T08:07:26.165-04:00Comments on Mystical Politics: Anti-Israel agitation at Harvard UniversityRebeccahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-69583761994782246602013-03-13T01:24:35.037-04:002013-03-13T01:24:35.037-04:00Jeremy - how on earth do you think that Israelis a...Jeremy - how on earth do you think that Israelis and Palestinians can live in harmony and partnership together in one state? If someone could provide me with real evidence that one state would lead to anything other than civil war - that is, if there were proof that a majority of Israelis and Palestinians actually wanted one state - then of course I would not protest. They have the right to decide whether or not to live together. But if there is one polity, I don't see how it can lead to anything other than a lot more violence than exists now.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-82692970484101281872013-03-12T15:53:29.844-04:002013-03-12T15:53:29.844-04:00Hi, Rebecca.
I think the settler movement and its...Hi, Rebecca.<br /><br />I think the settler movement and its supporters, including all of Israel's recent government, especially the outgoing and incoming ones, have forced the one state solution upon us, since they do not have either the will or the ability to move 600,000 settlers -- 10% of the Israeli Jewish population -- out of the West Bank. <br /><br />The only remaining question is whether we'll have one state with permanent Apartheid, or will we live in harmony and partnership with the Palestinians who already are more than 50%, and that's before any refugees have returned. In other words, the Jewish state that we grew up believing in is no more, and what the settlers want us to accept is an immoral situation in which we rule over a majority of Palestinians -- of course, they hope that the Palestinians will all or mostly pick up and leave us the land, but that hasn't happened, the world won't go for it, nor should our consciences allow it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09169622860288519101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-79685645801747325082013-03-09T23:56:23.457-05:002013-03-09T23:56:23.457-05:00I don't want to defend the actions of Israel -...I don't want to defend the actions of Israel - I think Israel is wrong to occupy the West Bank, and should withdraw from it. What I'm objecting to is the actions of people like the PSC at Harvard (and similar groups on many other campuses) who think that everything is the fault of Israel, and who are ultimately working towards a "one state solution" that will result in one, majority-Arab state that will not in any way respect the rights of Jews and will lead to a mass Jewish exodus. Unlike you, I'm still a Zionist, and I want a Jewish state, but one that does not oppress Palestinians in the WB and Gaza, and one that offers (and grants) equal rights to all its citizens.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448657.post-65488000150737309842013-03-09T22:15:10.813-05:002013-03-09T22:15:10.813-05:00two quick comments:
1. the examples of democrati...two quick comments: <br /><br />1. the examples of democratic rights enjoyed by Arabs in Israel do more to obfuscate than to clarify: the fact is that Arabs in Israel are second class citizens<br /><br />2. Israelis commonly acknowledge that Israeli democracy is on a slipperly slope; the debate is whether the current situation could already be described as Apartheid or it is only approaching Apartheid. Many mainstream Israeli-Jewish politicians, including former Prime Ministers Sharon and Ulmert admit this, and while supporters of Israel in the U.S. are horrified (as they should be) by the suggestion that Israel could be classified as an Apartheid state, Israelis have long passed that stage. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09169622860288519101noreply@blogger.com